Meta youth addiction trial seeks up to $1.4 trillion in penalties as 29 state AGs target infinite scroll, autoplay, and algorithmic design aimed at minors.Nikshep Myle (Gadget Review)
A recent series of Flock contract cancellations in Wisconsin shows that the more ALPRs come down, the fewer are likely to go up.Joe Wilkins (Futurism)
PJM Interconnection, the biggest U.S. grid operator, proposed on Thursday a new framework that would force data centers to use back-up generators when electricity supply on the grid approaches dangerously low levels.
Yeah that's not better. Not to mention, how do we know if the datacenter is just hosting AI garbage, or your local hospital's servers?
That hospital bit sounds like an exploitable loophole:
"A percentage of our data here is critical hospital infrastructure, so we are exempt from the power grid limitations!"
(0.02% of data considered "critical")
Hey - I accidentally replied to a top-level post when I meant to reply to a comment within a post within a Lemmy Community (c/homebox). I copied my comment over as a new reply and then deleted the original.
At first, it looked like that was all I needed to do, but then the top-level reply showed back up on lemmy.world. I have already "Deleted Comment Globally" within Friendica, so I'm not sure how to remove the double-post.
Am I missing something, or is this a bug of some sort?
This sounds like a breakage in the way that Friendica and Lemmy interact. I'd report it as a bug on both sides, see if you can get folks to work towards figuring out a way to resolve it.
The different Fediverse software implement things in their interpretation and sometimes there's a divide that can be resolved. :)
In just over a week, the Hanover Institute has published at least 100 articles that appear tailor-made to influence chatbotsNick Cleveland-Stout (Responsible Statecraft)
Especially given it has a similar effect to how spam emails are often deliberately bad so they just don't waste their time with people that waste some of their time before wising up. If you only get the most easily duped people in the first place, that's a lot less time wasted.
With LLMs, you're explicitly targeting people that are less likely to strongly ideologically object to things (like LLMs, or genocide funding) on moral grounds, you're getting the people that are willing to just get a quick answer without having to look into it deeply, and you're getting the people who's sole goal it is to flood the web with any SEO-optimized slop they can with the least effort possible.
LLMs self select for people not willing to put in cognitive effort, that are easily influenced and less careful about fact-checking things.
An investigation by 404 Media found that Amazon bought a shipment of rare books so it could scan and destroy them to train AI.Frank Landymore (Futurism)
Where I draw the line for whether it is ethical to light things on fire is when they start destroying rare knowledge and books as fast as possible for no other reason than to hoard and obscure knowledge for private benefit.
It is one thing to fund the creation of knowledge and then hoard it, it is entirely another to begin actively attacking and destroying pre-existing publicly shared resources of knowledge in the pursuit of monetizing access to that very knowledge behind a gargantuan profit motivated entity.
Obviously this isn't ideal, and fuck the massive amounts of destruction (environmental, economical, societal) of AI, but these stories amount to 'book owner does what they want with books they own'.
I don't disagree with any of these responses, and I'm not saying reporting on this to make people aware of it is bad or pointless.
So now what do we do about it?
Just because it's legal, that doesn't make it right. Corporations do terrible things all of the time which are perfectly legal.
If I was the owner of the only copy of an important book, I would have the legal right to destroy it, but nobody could argue convincingly that I did a good thing.
If I was the owner of the only copy of an important book, I would have the legal right to destroy it, but nobody could argue convincingly that I did a good thing.
I'd argue that, if the destruction was done to digitize the book, what you did was a good thing. Would you disagree?
First, I was discussing the hypothetical put forth by that other person.
Second, "hide it from the public" is almost certainly a function of copyright law. Just because you are allowed to digitize a book doesn't mean you're allowed to distribute it.
There’s a huge difference, an absolute chasm, between non-destructive scanning, which was always an option by the way, for the purposes of putting it in a public archive
Like Anna's Archive, or Sci-Hub. Famously legal.
If only they uploaded everything to those archives, the scanning would be perfectly fiiiiine.
Except they own those books only because they locked out regular people who want them and used insane amounts of capital they've stolen from said people to buy everything up.
This isn't a guy deciding to toss his copy of a book. This is a company who has destroyed industries and the environment and used basically slave labor forcing people to pee in bottles to meet insane requirements all to hoard wealth that they used to hoard more things.
Condensing it to"book owner does what they want with books they own" ignores so many historic and systemic problems that led to this.
When a person purchases something, it's that person's personal property. When a corporation purchases something, it's that capitalist's private property.
A true analysis of this type of headline would be more along the lines of "capitalist uses capitalism to encircle and entrench their capital at the expense of human culture and society"
I read the article and don't see what you're seeing. Can you point out the "false pretenses". It seems the order was placed via a site that intentionally allows anonymous purchases.
As a sidebar:
a bookseller suspected that an order they received for 1,000 books on Biblio, a marketplace where buyers can remain anonymous, was for an AI company. So to get to the bottom of the mystery, they agreed to place an Apple AirTag between the pages of one of the volumes.
Emphasis mine.
That seems sketchy to me. I'm not confident it's illegal, but I'm guessing a website that intentionally allows anonymous purchases isn't going to take kindly to a vendor putting a tracking device in an order.
Oh no. Won't somebody think of the billionaire whose monopoly that got exposed by some independent journalists who couldn't be bought or bribed. How tragic.
If Amazon is behaving ethically, they don't need to hide what they're doing.
Hindsight makes people come to very foolish conclusions.
Hint: what if it didn't turn out to be Amazon?
404 media was already thorough in its previous research before actually tracking a book order. Despite your insinuation, there was no foolishness.
But if we follow your billionaire defense to its logical conclusion, they should not have bothered verifying their leads, and left the space billionaire alone.
there was no foolishness
The foolishness was yours. "The ends (in hindsight) justify the means" is not a particularly wise stance.
Like I said, what if it wasn't Amazon that was ordering the books; would it then be okay?
I understand the dislike of billionaires, but don't let it stop you from thinking.
The foolishness was yours
You don't need to stoop to insults.
what if it wasn’t Amazon that was ordering the books
Then the responsible journalists wouldn't publish the story. I don't know why you have so much disdain for this independent group.
I'd hate to hear your takes when Ed Snowden "illegally" leaked files to journalists.
I'm thinking about how your concern (which is borderline concern trolling) leaves no way to hold billionaires and their unethical companies accountable.
Like you said:
“The ends (in hindsight) justify the means” is not a particularly wise stance.
Just imagine if we applied this to the AI weirdos.
Then the responsible journalists wouldn't publish the story.
My concern isn't the story, it's the "hiding a tracking device in an order with an anonymous party". That's an invasion of privacy no matter who it's done to. You're presumably only okay with it because you dislike who it was done to, which is why I'm asking you to consider it without hindsight. What if it were done to someone other than Amazon? Do you still support that invasion of privacy? Why or why not?
They didn't know it was Amazon when they hid a tracking device in someone's order. They suspected, only.
What if it had been a small bookstore, or just some collector? Do you approve of those people being tracked?
Are you really not seeing this, or are you pretending to not get it?
What if journalists learned the names of innocent people in the Epstein files? Do the ends justify the means??? Oh no!
The answer to your question is "then the article wouldn't exist".
Your "concern" reads like concern trolling because the only way to satiate it is to shut down the free press, apparently to defend the space billionaire/pedophile billionaire class.
They sent a tracker in a book before the article was written. Before they knew it was Amazon. It only turned out to be Amazon, but when they sent it, it could have been anyone.
I feel like I have to ask: are you associated with the source? Your inability to understand my very simple and straightforward point is suspicious.
They sent a tracker in a book before the article was written.
Uh yeah. That's why they knew it was Amazon. If it ended up somewhere else, the article would be different, and shills for space billionaires would have to come up with something else to concern troll about.
I feel like I have to ask: are you associated with the source?
No, but since this is your level of politeness and since you've ignored basic statements like "corporations are not people" and claims the Epstein class needs to be exposed, I need to ask: are they paying you to shill for them, or do you do it for free?
If it ended up somewhere else, the article would be different
Yes!! Finally!!
What if it ended up at a mom and pop store? Are they deserving of privacy?
What if it ended up at a mom and pop store?
Then the article would probably be very different or not written at all, which is what I said already.
You're not responding to the Epstein class question I see. Really makes you think
Is this for real?
They sent a secret tracker before the article was written. The problem isn't the article, it's putting a secret tracker in the order. Would you like secret trackers in your orders, or would you consider that an invasion of privacy?
Seriously, I don't know any other way to say it.
Really makes you think
I look forward to seeing evidence of that.
I look forward to seeing evidence of that.
Of the Epstein Class? It's called the Epstein Files, although the Epstein Class defenders will tell you that it's dangerous to release those files because "somebody innocent could get hurt." I asked you point blank twice (now three times) why you're shilling for them, with the same degree of "good faith" you demonstrated toward me.
Except I was capable of answering and you weren't, which makes one think.
I get it, you want journalists silenced and you need to wrap that in whataboutism to make it happen, but sometimes tools can be good or bad depending on how they're used. "You don't want to be bombed, so Dresden shouldn't have been bombed either" is not the moral high ground you think it is.
I meant it would be nice to see evidence of thinking lol
I'm "shilling" (lol) for privacy. Journalists shouldn't be mailing hidden trackers to anyone. That's probably illegal. It definitely should be.
You're aligning yourself with the Epstein Class while concern trolling about privacy. They are the ones violating people's privacy every single day and enjoying protection the average person cannot afford. They are the ones hiding private jet flight records while tracking people's driving habits.
Appeals to human decency only work when you manage to have any yourself, and I see little evidence of that.
I'm not appealing to any decency from you (hilarious). I'm just asking for some consistency. You presumably think violations of privacy are bad, but here you are cheering on one.
I'm certain you understand the point I've been making, you're just unwilling to be intellectually honest about it.
Good luck.
"You presumably think it's bad to shoot people with guns and yet you won't condemn the US for D-Day. I'm just asking for some consistency."
Privacy is not universally good, like many things. For example, Joe, it should not be afforded to the Epstein Class when they go to abuse children on Little Saint James. Right, Joe?
It's bad to murder. Not all killings are murder.
Everyone deserves all the privacy the law affords them, and these journalists sent a tracker to an anonymous party.
In this very thread you've complained about a two tier system, so your solution is... a two tiered system? lol
I don't know why I'm bothering to tutor you about this; you clearly have no desire to learn.
It’s bad to murder. Not all killings are murder.
And yet you'd argue that the stray bullet on Normandy intended for a Nazi could have ended up in an innocent Aryan child, claimed the Allies were untrustworthy, and that no such risk should be taken, as you are doing here.
In this very thread you’ve complained about a two tier system, so your solution is… a two tiered system?
Did you seriously warp the interests of the pedophile engaging in child abuse on Little St James as a "tier" that deserves to be protected? Your depravity knows no end.
So I guess we'll just skip past my question about why you're trying to paint pedophile billionaires as oppressed minorities. Reminds me of how you repeatedly refused to answer whether those same pedophile billionaires were sponsoring you.
But you are warping your previous statement, which was:
Everyone deserves all the privacy the law affords them
Current laws disproportionately harm the average person, while they disproportionately benefit your apparent benefactors. Even "equal" laws, if they were created, are built to service the billionaires you support.
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.www.goodreads.com
I don't answer stupid questions. You should have picked up on this pattern by now. I just ignore them out of courtesy to you.
Judging by the very (unnecessarily) long comment thread, you aren't anti corruption or in favor of a more just legal system, you're just cranky that you're not the one who decides who the law protects and who it restricts.
You are wrong, of course, but judging by your passionate defense of the Epstein Class, it seems you're just cranky one of your benefactors got caught with their pants down.
Remember, Joe, you're the one who decided to start asking stupid questions with loaded accusations. Why would I talk about reforming the law with a man who thinks child sex abusers need a private island? Demonstrate a shred of humanity first, because otherwise it would be pointless.
Strawman, ad hominem, strawman. lol
Does your shtick work on anyone?
Final time: Do you support equal protection under the law, or should laws be applied differently based on who you are?
It's not a difficult question. If you could take a breath to calm yourself and then engage in good faith, I bet we'd find common ground. Oh, and one more personal attack and I'll start reporting you. I wish you'd have taken the hint before this; my patience only stretches so far.
"Ad hominem" does not mean "wrong."
If you could take a breath to calm yourself and then engage in good faith
You've been told before by several people that this kind of language is rude.
Oh, and one more personal attack and I’ll start reporting you
Threats aren't a way to get what you want. Especially after you demonstrate poor behavior yourself.
See? I knew you could do it!
Do you want to engage with this topic in good faith, or should we call it here?
See? I knew you could do it!
Cut your patronizing comments, Joe.
Are you going to demonstrate you have any moral objection to the Epstein Class? I only seriously talk to people with basic morals.
More alarming was the upshot of that lawsuit: a judge ruled that because Anthropic was turning the physical texts into digital ones and destroying the original copies, it was “transformative” and therefore didn’t violate copyright law.
So by that token if someone digitizes a physical medium and makes it available to the public copyright is no longer valid. Otherwise, having it ingested by an AI has no purpose it it's not meant to be referenced in response to requests by the end user.
No it only applies to books because books have an entirely different legal system than everything else.
SCOTUS case: White-Smith Music Publishing Co. v. Apollo Co. (1908) created a new issue for the Government about copying people's printed works.
Copyright Act of 1909 is passed. New framework is established, books get an entirely different legal system from everything else. Publishers lobbied to prevent it's passage and fought it especially hard in the Great Depression because libraries were becoming very popular during that time.
But printed books have a whole different thing that applies to them that doesn't apply to anything else. So you can't use "physical medium" because books are a special case and have their own special US law.
For books, transformative, has to deal with the intent.
Since the intent is different, the book first sale doctrine applies here to grant transformative. Which is but just one pillar in their defense.
Same goes for what Google did like a decade ago.
And transformative applies too to things like DVDs, it's just under a different framework known as the DMCA.
That's not transformative.
That is transformative. And again, transformative is but one thing out of the whole "fair use" thing.
This is the thing. Those news articles are oversimplifying a massive amount of legal technicalities. I'm not saying what Anthropic is doing is correct or not. What I am saying is that the conclusion that people are getting from these stories is like the last 10% of a massively technical legal battle. And running with that small amount can lead to conclusions that aren't true.
And I know someone is going to bring it up. No you aren't LEGALLY allows to rip a copy of a DVD for your personal use. Violates the DMCA. BUT in order to sue you, a publisher has to know ahead of time before discovery, that you broke their encryption scheme, which if you only keep it personally, is impossible for them to ever enforce. So we have a law that is written in a way, that if you never put it online, it's impossible to enforce the law. As a summary of how all that works.
The articles are oversimplifying because the law is impossibly complex, but the moral hazard is obvious.
It’s like they’re murdering orphans and someone tries to argue it’s actually state sanctioned manslaughter.
token if someone digitizes a physical medium and makes it available to the public copyright is no longer valid
only if you destroy the original i guess
(the real answer is that copyright is and always has been a tool for corporations to control the ownership of culture. what ai companies are doing isn’t fine in the eye of the state because it’s "transformative", it’s fine in the eyes of the state because they’re corporations selling their products)
Rare doesn’t automatically imply valuable, useful or anything like that.
My Anthony Fauci x Drowsy Don fanfic is “rare”, but nobody including me would bat an eye if it was destroyed.
Booksellers “carry” utter shit.
Guess what they do when the book is refunded by the publisher due to bad sales? They cut off the covers and send them back as proof. The pages are destroyed. Nobody bats an eye.
No publisher or bookseller wants to carry 50000 copies of Joe Bob’s “How to cook maggots” when it flopped
Also how do you know if my fanfic is a physical book sold at a store or not? 😀
Also how do you know if my fanfic is a physical book sold at a store or not? 😀
Because you're a loggerhead shrike, and you don't look anything like E. L. James.
Rare doesn’t automatically imply valuable
I agree, there is only one of you, and you're worthless.
i mean, i’m not arguing for this position necessarily. i agree with you.
that said, in practice, the “bad data” comes out in the wash. for example, all of Reddit is likely in their datasets. who knows what their data cleaning process is like, but diversity in the data is generally a good thing from a training perspective.
I stopped using Amazon like 8 years ago over various previous inhumane issues
Seems the rest of the world prefers slightly more convenience
What are you gonna do I guess
just remember. the planet is going to be just fine.
remember how quickly wildlife came back when covid shutdowns hit? it'll be like that when the last human dies.
Great. The ants, cockroaches and rats will fight over world domination once we drove nearly everything else into extinction. That‘s so reassuring. I only ever cared about the ants anyway. /s
I genuinely don‘t give a shit about the 99% of the planet that isn‘t it‘s outer crust so obviously I don‘t care if „the planet will be fine“ either. That‘s not mine or your world. Neither is anything that happens in millions of years after pretty much every species we ever knew is no longer there. It‘s such a straw man argument. Nobody is talking about what that clown was talking about when saying „the planet“ and he knew it.
you're thinking too small scale.
in 150 million years after humans who knows what kind of life will evolve.
I ask people every now and then, the theme of the answer is similar: one stop shopping, it’s easier than looking elsewhere, answering with the question where else am I going to go? People tend to take the shortest path between A and B.
There are some things you can only find there, sure, but there’s more of a shopping dopamine hit if you look around. Other retailers do exist. Most of the time you can find it elsewhere.
This has been a serious bugbear for me lately. I switched to eBay, NewEgg, Etsy to spite Amazon's monopoly on e-commerce but I have neither the awareness nor the "spoons" to sort out the vendors on those sites who ship through Amazon
It deflates my spirit a little every time one of my orders come in with that damn smirking logo
I miss electronics shops :( The chain and small hobby shops around me don’t carry things like resistors and capacitors. I checked every single one. Really.
Then I bought a lifetime supply of resistors, like actual hundreds, and it was delivered to my doorstep in under 6 hours for $8.
The most ironic thing is that this is the only way that the current cultural metastasis appreciates rare knowledge. Which we once did!
Like music it is the most fundamentally human endeavor and it has been destructively gamified. Thank fucking god for libraries, support yours!!!!!
Ownership itself is a pragmatic social construct: you “own” things insofar as that “makes sense.”
Does it make sense for Amazon to own rare books? Not really. I’m not sure why that would be allowed. It’s like a child owning a rocket. It simply makes no sense in most contexts.
Not every law is a moral debate. Laws limiting the height of my fence is not a moral debate.
Remember the guy who bought an 'art' banana for $6m and then ate it? That also wasn't a moral debate.
If you pass a law protecting rare valuable books, then you also need to decide which books are protected.
Laws limiting the height of your fence are debated in the following way.
This is a moral exercise, because to debate something is to engage in normative deliberation. Indeed, your only mechanism for social appeal is moral: “This is the right thing to do” for some reason, such as justice, fairness, harm reduction, or whatever.
If you pass a law protecting rare valuable books, then you also need to decide which books are protected.
You’re right. Laws are constrained by pragmatism. It turns out, figuring out which books are important is analogous to figuring out which natural habitats should be legally protected from construction, etc. This is fairly easy.
If you buy a house, it is illegal to set it on fire. It is also illegal to pump infinite molten lead into the soil under your house. It is also illegal to spray aerosolized asbestos out of the chimney of your house 24/7.
You still own the house.
I'm just repeating what 404 media said on their July 21 podcast. They said that the first reports of AI book buyups were in Spain and the Netherlands, from rare book traders. The theory is that these AI companies are in a race to get the rare books first because they will be scanned and destroyed and they know that the widely circulated books will be available later
Edit: and if you scan and destroy rare books. Then you have an advantage over the competition, another company can't scan a book you've destroyed
Especially since the articles make it clear that the AI companies don't care about rarity or quality. It's just a dragnet to get as many books as possible. Sure, a lot of the books are going to be garbage, but some of them are going to be valuable, too.
The AI must be fed, and the only criterion is the book has to be published before 2022.
I don't think most people realize that the most efficient process for scanning books involves disassembling them.
So of course they're upset to hear the books are disposed of afterwards.
Whistle-blown?
I wish there were any path for accountability anymore.
lemmy.world/search?q=rare+book…
This has been posted to death. Does this really need ot be a weekly thread? There is nothing to discuss its bad and we hate AI and we hate amazon.
Name one "rare" book. Same articles never an evidence of what's rare.
Exactly what is valuable?
Edit: love the downvotes, yet zero proof there is a rare book involved. We have had people look this up and post to Lemmy, no rare books found.
But hey facts dont matter right?
I keep thinking there might be ones that are considered somewhat rare, but that is so relative. Its not like the real rare boom market isn't there. I was looking at a couple books to buy that are considered rare, although they are public domain. They aren't cheap maybe 2 to 3 hundred each, but I do have a choice of nearly 5 different printings to choose from, meaning if I buy one they dont go away entirely.
Also, who are the booksellers? Does this mean they can start pushing prices up for these purchases? Surely if AI companies are buying all the rare books they would begin to price them accordingly.
Also, for the rare books, are people trying to buy them to preserve them?
It's like if Fahrenheit 451 had the firefighters meticulously remove the spines and digitize the books before burning them. Amazon is buying a single copy of these books, and destroying the books to make it faster to digitize. Just not at all book burning.
You should be pissed about them using other peoples works to train their AI behemoth for profit. Not make a false equivalence to book burning...
that information is as good as gone if its in the hands of corporation while they destroy the original.
also, you cant get the original info back from the training data, what they are doing is kind of like putting the information in a blender.
and since they destroy the original books, no one else can have them. They also destroy piece of history since physical book is immutable while digital information can be tampered with. With rare books its possible they are destroying the last copy of the book, no way to know for sure.
And i'm already beyond pissed that they use others work for profit. It has already been demonstrated that corporations are above any law, as long as they can manage their bribes and connections.
You should trust corporations as much as you would a demon if demons were real.
They tracked the shipment to a site at a massive Amazon warehouse in Nevada, where workers say their job is to strip the spines off of books they receive so they can quickly scan their pages, destroying them in the process.
So what they're saying is, we should start making as many legit-looking books full of bullshit and gibberish as possible, then send them to Nevada where they can be used to help "train" their AI.
You think they give a fuck? These people are going to get to the point where they would take aim at random people with rifles and shoot them for fun and then act like they did nothing wrong.
Of course they would see an issue with that... If they are aiming themselves, it means they can be aimed at... So they will do it via drone.
Hey Homebox Community.
I'm having some trouble getting Backups out of my Homebox install - it seems that I'm running into bug #1592 (github.com/sysadminsmedia/home…).
The bug seems to be fixed by merge #1596 (github.com/sysadminsmedia/home…) which says its merged into main, however the homebox:latest image does not seem to have been updated past 0.26.2.
It does seem that I can get the backups created and pull them out of the container manually for the moment... do I just need to wait until another version upgrade? Is there some other tagged version I should be using besides :latest? Do I need to avoid using the prebuilt image and build an image myself from source?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks for the quick response!
It seems that I'm having a different issue when I use :main (image attachments no longer load, and backup fails with errors stating WRN ../go/src/app/internal/core/services/service_exports.go:534 > export: attachment blob missing, skipping ).
Can I trust the backup zip files that are created in /data/<uid>/exports/ when using the :latest image until there is an update?
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Fake Money for Criminals.
Turns out things for criminals sometimes can be an okay thing for noncriminals.
I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with morals, since (at least hopefully) it's our morals that help guide us when making laws.
But yes, illegal does not necessarily mean immoral, and vice versa.
I tried looking at dreadforum to see how markets work nowadays and found out in a minute I was viewing a mirror that was injecting links
I think I'll just ask a dude on the street at this point
But then again I am in a country where that would work with 0 negative consequences for me as the user
Doesn't dread's captcha force you to check the url? Afaik it makes you fill in specific parts of the url, so that you check that the url you are using is the same one they are using. Curious how the mirror was able to bypass that.
Regardless I just spent some initial investment saving the pgp public keys and making sure they are legit, so that I can use them to verify dread's mirrors.txt whenever needed. Faster than walking out to the street imo
It's my first actual visit, and I did what apparently is the obvious faux pas
I googled for dreadforum link, was pointed towards one shown at dreadforum.io/
I entered it into tor browser, no captcha was shown and I landed directly on the site/mirror.
The one post I read, something concerning validation and opsec on markets or dreadforum, had an explanation that if the text they wrote in hyphens differed from the url right under it I was already viewing a mirror, as they spelled out a link.
That was true, the url shown was darkmyurl dot com instead of the actual link spelled out hyphenated.
I was humbled, and have now learned that even asking for the true php keys from you right now is submitting to defeat. The only good opsec seems to be your own
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honestly, I wouldn't be so hard on yourself. This stuff is way harder than people think. People don't realize how hard it is to establish trust starting from none. Normally you type a website into Google, and Google has already done the work for determining which website is the legit one and which is the shady phishing site, and will filter out the shady site. This convenience does not exist for darknet sites, so you just have to establish trust yourself.
even asking for the true php keys from you right now is submitting to defeat
not necessarily. You can get the pgp keys from random strangers online. It's just not the only source you should rely on. Get it from multiple sources and then verify if they are all the same. If they are, think to yourself how likely it is that all 3 sources are actually the same attacker giving you a fake key.
DM me if you're actually interested in the pgp key and I'll dig it up from my notes
In both cases the trading value of the currency has almost nothing to do with who originated it, and almost everything to do with how the general public feels about it.
Just like crypto, most "government" currencies are worth what they're worth only because everyone agrees that they are. That's called "fiat" currency. And that's why fiat currency exchange markets exist. The US Dollar hasn't been "convertible" (redeemable for a fixed amount of precious metal) since 1971, and many other world currencies were already backed in some way by the US Dollar at that time.
The real difference is in the supply.
Government fiat currency is difficult to counterfeit, although the government (or reserve bank) can always make more whenever they want. We trust them not to print more money, increasing the money supply and devaluing the currency. However, this is exactly what has happened sometimes in the past, and no doubt will happen again in the future.
Crypto currency is virtually impossible to counterfeit, and IIRC there's a finite (but not precisely known) amount of it that can be made, no matter who you are.
Personally, I still use physical fiat currency and no crypto. I'd like to use crypto, but regulation in my country makes it very difficult to use without registering your details with a central authority. And although everyone's pushing e-money options which are similarly tracked, thankfully I still have the option of using anonymous cash.
I don't do anything bad or illegal. I just believe that government and big business don't deserve to know everything I do in my life simply because they want to.
and IIRC there's a finite (but not precisely known) amount of it that can be made, no matter who you are.
This varies wildly depending on the coin.
Fiat currency is based on the government's ability to issue and service debt, which is based on its ability to collect taxes, which is based on the economy it oversees. It's a bit roundabout but the pieces all connect.
Crypto is supposed the compensation for providing compute resources to a blockchain, which ostensibly backs some application with actual intrinsic value. In that sense crypto is real, but there are no actual blockchains which support valuable applications. The entire thing much more closely resembles a ponzi scheme where real currency is deposited, and then the appreciation it experiences is proportional to the ratio of inputs vs withdrawals, without there being an actual asset creating value.
i’m going with the fake money for criminals, cuz sometimes the criminal in question is a trans person trying to get their medicine
to my great annoyance, almost all diy hrt online can only be bought using crypto. and wow does it make you hate cryptobros to have to navigate an ecosystem clearly designed for speculation to get your life-saving medicine 🫠
the homebrewer i was buying from didn’t support this one, so i would’ve had to convert it, which means fees typically
anyways, i don’t really care to maintain a crypto portfolio. i buy the coin when i buy the thing, so volatility isn’t too much of a concern. my main annoyance is at the bonkers fees that exchanges want because they (rightly) recognize cryptobros as a milkable consumer base
Could use localbitcoin.com (or localmonero I guess), though it's been so long since I've been to those sites that I forget if/what kind of cut the website takes.
But yeah, dunno if you can avoid fees when cashing out to fiat. And if you're using non-kyc sites to swap Monero, they're likely taking some too, for the convenience (worth it imo)
Uber is too expensive these days
That was always the goal. Uber and Lyft prices were heavily subsidized early on. Their investors poured billions into them in order to not just establish market share, but tk drive existing taxi services out of business. Taxi services that had things like: fleets of company-owned vehicles instead of personal vehicles, commercials grade maintenance schedules, stricter licensing requirements for drivers, unionized employees instead of independent contractors, etc
Uber and Lyft just plain ignored a lot of existing regulations by saying "those don't apply because this is an app" to legislators who were too old to know how to turn on a smart phone. They got the public on-board by temporarily offering artificially low prices and high payouts to drivers. Now they have established themselves and removed the competition, so the payouts are going down and the prices are going up.
There are still some US cities that do not allow Uber or Lyft to operate, and there are other countries in the world that do the same.
It's still miles better than Cabs, I can't believe this even has to be argued! When was the last time anyone here defending cabs/shitting on Uber actually took a cab somewhere?
The few times I had to/decided to take a taxi, I got absolutely ripped off. And with an Uber, even if it's expensive, you at least know before hand how much you're paying. You can decline if you think it's too much. Good luck trying that with taxis.
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I would add that the state-secrets betting houses are also more broadly insider-trading betting houses
"criminals" = people the goverment doesnt like
crypto is untraceable (mostly)
I think thats why there are so many smear campaigns against it
There are plenty of issues beyond that, especially BTC and similar coins being energy inefficient, just imagine if every single transaction ran through that. It wasn't designed to be practical.
And on the less technical side, the biggest contributor to crypto being despised by most people is the massive prevalence of scammers, from companies that pretend to help you invest (while being a ponzi scheme) to rug pulls to other scammers being attracted to it for its perceived anonymity.
Afaik there's legitimate uses for the underlying technology, but cryptocurrency is just inferior to regular digital currency from a practical standpoint, and you either have to put up with government regulation (defeating the purpose of a currency aside from government) or put up with fraud that can't be stopped by our governments.
so you have to put up with surveillance or put up with freedom?
I dont think the state should be able to trace transactions
That's very understandable, but impractical for investments and savings, the US insures some banks and the like but it doesn't insure crypto funds, if people's savings end up there based on false promises (or if their assets are managed by a third party) they can lose everything and have no recourse.
This isn't a hypothetical, it's the story of countless people who lost everything to grifters. I don't think blaming individuals makes a lot of sense when it comes to emerging technology and when, again, regular finance is generally insured by the state. The biggest reason for scammers to flock to crypto is that there's a lot less regulation, making it harder to prosecute them. And that's my original point on the choice we have right now, even if ideally we want better choices in the future. Right now you either go with a traditional institution for financial services, which includes government oversight, or you operate on your own and assume a lot of risks, whether you're even aware of that or not (and financial actors purposely deceive people on this end, as it's in their best interest to do so).
so basically, research the crypto you buy and practice basic cybersecurity?
sure, it wasnt designed for everybody, but that isnt a reason to smear it
the biggest contributor to crypto being despised by most people is the massive prevalence of scammers
At risk of being called a crypto bro or something (I'm really not, I learned all this shit years before everything turned into what it is), I'd like to play Devil's advocate here for the moment and ask how that's different from fiat currency?
USD is practically untraceable, and people are being scammed out of it constantly with no recourse.
crypto is untraceable (mostly)
It is very traceable. It's just that the government doesn't have a special position with tracing transactions, so there's been a bunch of kludges built on top of the very transparent Bitcoin network to try to mask things.
thats the point, its decentralized
anything is traceable IF you have a special position in the transactions
monero, as an example, lets you run your own node
Monero is untraceable (if you don't use a KYC exchange to get it), but Monero isn't "most" crypto.
You said crypto, in general, is mostly untraceable and that's very very wrong.
Monero is the exception, not the rule.
crypto is untraceable (mostly)
Super super incorrect.
Haha, what an idiot!
Yeah, I didn't get any either. 
fake money for criminals
I presume you must mean USD?
It doesn't have to be like this though.
Here, for example, Uber is not allowed and Airbnbs are regulated
The only things we Italians we are good at is making many regulations, especially ones for safety lmao
See: building regulations
Rare Italian W
(Okay, maybe we are great at doing some regulations, we lack a lot of stuff that is normal for other countries and a lotta of rights...)
Yeah, we are a bureaucracy machine.
People (especially us) often make fun of how convoluted our bureaucracy is, but this has made us extremely good at paper moving. If any country had a go at being us, they would collapse.
That just not true across the board. I've found solo they are expensive but compared to getting a suite at a hotel they are competitive. You ain't beating the king room at a Hilton though, agreed.
It certainly isn't true AT ALL for group travel. I regularly stay in very nice homes for under $150/night per person.
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The fake money for criminals is the best because there's a lot of people that aren't criminals that have bought in on it and among those the concensus is "I think a bunch of IT neck beards can build a better financial system better than the one that evolved over centuries".
The delusion is laughable.
Honestly I think pretty much anyone could build a better financial system, and more people should try. What we have now is the result of centuries of unchecked power. This monetary policy was created by Richard Nixon and then we adopted a Keynesian rationale post facto. It didn't evolve, it was stolen.
If you've got another idea (including moneyless systems) I'm down to try that too, but what we've got right now is pure garbage, and having no out before the modern era doesn't imply that it's good.
The modern banking system and monetary policy was created under FDR. Nixon just stoped pretending it was backed on gold and told de Gaulle to kick rocks when he asked for the gold back.
Realistically the changes under Nixon are peanuts compared to the digitization of it all since the introduction of systems like Swift.
You say that like Nixon wasn't unilaterally breaking the Bretton Woods Agreement. No offense, but are you an American?
I think it had it's time to cooldown from the extrme speculative volatility. It has lost it's coolness factor in the mainstream after NFT and AI took over.
Still as volative as ever.
You can't tell me a 11% drop in value can be considered a valid alternative.
Bitcoin is the youngest currency around
No it's not, it's the oldest (and as such, the worst in almost every way) crypto.
Edit: in case you are like one of the commenters here and struggle with reading comprehension, I did not just say that bitcoin is older than USD. Try reading it slower maybe? If the parentheses is throwing you off, try taking it out completely and reading the sentence without it.
I believe in you.
Ok then I don't know what to tell you.
Is your brain just skipping the last word because it comes after a parenthesis?
Hint: I said it's the oldest and worst crypto.
Unless I've missed some huge news, none of the things you snarkily listed are cryptos.
You have to understand that I'm trying very hard to not be an asshole right now lol
Well that was uncalled for.
What's with the misplaced impotent rage? The fuck did I do?
Yeah dude, really.
Yeah you're right, not sure why I was trying to be nice.
Learn how to fucking read, loser. I literally wrote a simple, single sentence comment, and you couldn't comprehend it. Instead of trying to read it again, you decided to be an absolute prick.
I tried to be nice and suggested to try reading the sentence again as it's all there, but you chose to angrily lash out instead. And now that I've called it out, you want me to go away. After you came at me first.
That's loser behavior. Do better.
Says the person who literally could not read a single sentence comment then got irrationally angry at the wrong person about it.
I clearly can't read or think for myself because (checks notes) someone on the internet missed the last word of the sentence I wrote?
Make it make sense!
Or just cry about it, plug your ears, and run away so you never have to admit you were wrong about something or simply misread a comment. Something everyone has done before.
It's weird fucking behavior, dude.
Bubbles always burst eventually, just wait for it.
Although, without the grift, it would be super illegal, so should we really complain?
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Checks out. Hows the outlaw life?
Fake money for criminals is unironically a decent addition to the world, although it's coded in a really dumb way. Plagiarism machine is overhyped right now, but it also has some legit uses.
So, the poll actually seems about right.
The illegal cab company made legal cabs cheaper and more competitive, after a decade of them charging high prices and pricing shitty service.
Same thing happened when the illegal hotel company came along.
The first two depend on centralized services and nonfree software, which are things I don't like. The third doesn't. The fourth doesn't have to.
So by those metrics I like cryptocurrency the most. In fact I have invested a bit of my savings in Bitcoin. I have never used Uber or AirBnB meanwhile.
"Fake money for criminals" is such a dumb, bootlicker thing to say.
Maybe most "1st world" people don't undersrand it yet but crypto (although most of it is scam, but the good ones like Monero) really enables international transactions and freedom of money and brings so much freedom to the people.
Scammers have ruined the image of cryptocurrenvies but there are actually useful currencies out there like XMR,LTC that are being used frequently for actuall services and products. Not just trading.
Honestly I'd say the ones who ruined it were the cryptobros who only care about seeing number go up. Gave a bad rep to crypto right outta the gate, especially with causing the (first) GPU shortage. Now if you mention crypto to anyone, even with a legitimate interest, they instantly get a bad taste in their mouth.
It is always nice when some service allows payment in Monero though. The default of bitcoin is still prominent, but thankfully most people are realizing it ain't private at all.
You can swap Monero with a more common coin on a decentralized exchange with no KYC, and then cash that out at your Coinbase or whatever.
Also, Monero is very efficient for a proof of work coin, partially because it's designed to be mined on regular, consumer grade PCs.
According to Google, it uses somewhere between 645 and 650 GWh annually, compared to between 150 and 204.4 Terawatt-hours (TWh) for Bitcoin.
Bitcoin was the first, and as is usually the case, that makes it one of the worst.
According to Google, it uses somewhere between 645 and 650 GWh annually, compared to between 150 and 204.4 Terawatt-hours (TWh) for Bitcoin.
sure but it's also a much smaller operation
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What do you mean how is it better to agree to the price before hand? That cannot be a serious question. If it's too expensive at least you know ahead of time and can just not accept. You cannot be scammed by a driver going around in circles and increasing the price when you've already paid. In a taxi, you can. Uber/Bolt are objectively better in this regard, there is no point denying it and expecting to be taken seriously. Even my old parents who can barely use tech prefer to use Uber for that reason.
It's an outdated system and one of the two main reason they are dying in so many places. The other is service quality - never heard of a cab you can call with an app where it shows you how far it is and how long you have. At least where I live, you have to call for one and just hope they show up.
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